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Posted - 2015.05.13 06:58:41 -
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*pus on Beavis&Butthead*
He said Erection. hehe hehehe. hehehe.
hehehe.
Errrrrrrrection. hehehehehe.
hehehehe.
hehe.
Erections definitely can be a PITA. Sheesh, so subtle sense of humour, OP has. ^_^
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Posted - 2015.05.13 08:06:40 -
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You cqn expect that citadels in highsec will not be safe at all.
Anything else would just be silly.
If you can't defend it, you can't have it.
The newplayerargument does not apply.
Growing people into a safe world will render most incapable of dealing with how the world actually is.
You can not own stuff you can not defend !
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Posted - 2015.05.13 11:17:45 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:There's no value at all in something that doesn't actually require effort to have.
If "new players" can just crap out multi-million EHP death stars all over space without there being any reasonable possibility of anyone destroying them then there's no achievement in having one to begin with. Particularly if the thing is able to defend itself without assistance against a 20 man battleship fleet.
One of thing things high security space is in dire need of is points of conflict, which is something new structures can be. It is not in need of more perfectly safe, invulnerable assets. POCOs are a great example of an actually good mechanic, people continuously fight over the rights for them, they're cheap as hell but can't defend themselves, as a result conflicts of various scale happen involving them depending on where they are.
I don't care about me personally having things to shoot at, I've never had problems finding reasons to shoot things. What I'm tired of is nobody but us dedicated PVP people ever having the desire or ability to shoot at things. I want to see carebears reinforcing eachothers POS structures like they occasionally do POCOs. I predict a full revamp of wardecs ... ... or complete removal for something much better.
Good times ahead !
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Posted - 2015.05.13 11:53:01 -
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Your attitude towards the matter only makes it worse. You people yourself only make it worse, tbh.
Try being reasonable at some point.
The new structures leave them no other way than to revamp wardecs. The drifters also show that it will be happening, because there's a huge change coming.
Of course I can be wrong, but so far everything points into that direction.
The best explanation I can give you about the lack of talks ... ... is that it's still to come.
In any way is your approach to this situation not helpfull at all. The attitude even more so.
So then we have a 500man alliance. You only dig your own graves by only caring about your side, FORCING ccp to do something.
It has been like this with ganking as well. It's not the complaints on the forums, it's people constantly pushing it tk a level that leaves CCP no choice and then exactly these people cry the most.
Let's hope the leaders of this alliance have a bit more thoughtfullness.
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Posted - 2015.05.13 12:30:59 -
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Sorry but that post makes not much sense. It sounds contradictionary.
Please elaborate. Why did you benefit and what competition would you expect to see anyway? I have a followup question to this... but one after the other.
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Posted - 2015.05.13 13:10:11 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:... made it totally impossible for small groups of low SP players to get into highsec PVP without joining an established group. Great, verbose, no-nonsense post.
The question I was mentioning ... ... as response to the line above ... ... and yeah I predicted your post a bit:
Have you tried it for yourself ? If so, how ? If not, would you listen ?
Surprise me with another no-nonsense, verbose response. :D
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Posted - 2015.05.13 17:44:39 -
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A few things in your post need to be corrected. No, it's not a matter of opinion.
> And I know EVE is meant to have a learning cliff, but if you want new players you need to let them learn. > That's one of the purposes of high security zones. > People can wade into the shallow waters of EVE first, before heading into the darker waters where some of us live.
That's not how reality works. One does not learn how to be safe by being safe. One needs to be un-safe to learn how to be safe. HighSec is the absolutely worst place for new players to learn the game, because there they only learn that they are being protected and have it easy.
All the spoonfed babies who couldn't deal with life if there wasn't some force actually governing and protecting them will, of course, disagree.
That's the kind of self entitled people who run a big mouth until you slap them. Virtually or in reality. Doesn't matter, they start crying and yelling for CCP, mommy or the police.
> Having a variety of arenas lets players choose what they want to do. New Eden does not have "arenas". The idea that people should move to specific "zones" for doing specific things has no connection to the game at all.
Yes, some space allows for things the other doesn't, but that doesn't turn them into specific zones for specific "playstyles".
> I'd prefer them to be easily defensible, because I like having more content, more things to do. > Last thing I want to do is stress about a game I pay money for, > and have to log in at odd hours to make sure I haven't lost my stuff. That, of course, is perfectly fine. I see that you aren't the type who whines about things he does not actually deserve. Nowadays every idiot believes he deserves anything.
By that I mean ... as said above ... if you can't defend it, you can't have it.
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Posted - 2015.05.14 11:00:47 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Vimsy Vortis wrote:I think you forgot that reinforcement timers and soon ~vulnerability periods~ are things, even with freaking mobile depots. It is not currently and will not in the future be the case that structures require continuous attention.
My point is they should actually require effort from the owner to protect if they are attacked. Unlike current POS mechanics where they can effectively fight off entire fleets by themselves without the owner touching anything. Defense should be something a player actively does because that is what is engaging and fun, not something the structure does entirely by itself.
Very much this. And from the looks of things, even the ones in highsec can have two or more goddamned reinforcement timers before anything happens, even totally undefended. Nevermind the awful mechanic of "Your stuff is 100% safe" from loot drops. Yeesh. What? Did I miss that or just ignored it ?
Why, the **** ? Since when, ever, can't we take the stuff from what we shoot ???
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Posted - 2015.05.16 08:36:40 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Eve Solecist wrote: No they aren't. Who let them become that way? The people.
That isn't entirely true. It's actually a rather interesting historical discussion, but public schools were framed as they are due largely to the pseudo dictatorial attitude of Franklin Roosevelt, almost entirely at the behest of corporate interests(unknown to the public at large), as a way to train the succeeding generation as brainless factory workers. Now, if you are pointing to his being elected as the fault of the people, I will not disagree. But then I don't believe in "one pulse, one vote" either. His election is their fault. Letting him do it is their fault.
But it's deeper, actually.
People get elected and people then have to stfu ... ... and that's exactly what they do. I see it in Austria just as much.
The schools aren't to blame. Why?
Because people confuse words like "schools" with who is teaching.
The people. And it's the people who blindly accept what they are being told to do ... ... and don't speak up in masses against the bullshit that's happening.
Like teachers who oppose gendercrap and anti-authority bullshit.
So ... again. Not schools. The teachers. People.
When you read newspapers here it's always "Austria has this", "Austria does that", "Austria is shocked", etc.
Who is this Austria? The politicians. Yet it's meant as "the people". You read "schools" and think schools do anything. They don't. They are buildings.
Who teaches? The people.
You have this bullshit literally everywhere and people accept it without thinking.
Try again ... I can adress every argument and it always comes down to those who do not speak up and blindly follow every bullshit that is being declared as correct.
Me. You. Everyone.
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Give a man fire and he has it warm for a day.
Set a man on fire and he has it warm for the rest of his life.
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